Thank you again so much for your thoughtful replies, and this comm in general!
Han, Luke, Leia, and parenting:
It's kind of awesome the point you made about people's attachment to characters and how it affects what they want to see them do--- this goes right back to the point you made in your first comment here about the whole "Babies ever after" thing. Because it's... actually kind of wish-fulfillment for me personally to see Luke, Han and Leia, who are characters I grew up loving, be bad at parenting and teaching! I'm positively giddy at a story where those aren't "just basic adulthood"/ entry-level humaning skills, and how people who can do certain things really well can't do other things that are, arguably, very different skillsets well. And it does go back to my frustration with the "Babies ever after"/ "rocks fall, everyone breeds" trope and for that matter the times people try to make Life imitate Art about it.
And on the linked/referenced material: Oh, no, I think I just offered up a real-time example of what I mean about Luke's teaching skills in my own behavior, because that positive-disintegration link is probably not the best introductory piece to the concept in existence! :{ (Comprehensive and arguably authoritative, probably; intro to concept, ah, not so much.) This or this might be better as an introduction.
Ben/Rey:
Thanks for your willingness to hear me out! And, on the flip side, when I saw the direction the fandom was going with it, I probably should have done more to "be the change I wish to see in fandom" and written more femdom/malesub fic and meta for the pairing in places other people could see it, instead of slinking off in resignation as ~traditional gender roles~ reared their ugly head regardless of what I at least was seeing on the screen. And on the flip side, I could totally get behind platonic bromance Ben/Rey stories--- I mean, I generally write him as being bromantic with Phasma and/or Rose, so "Ben has one or more women BFFs" is absolutely a thing I can see. (And on yet another flip side, it took until TROS for me to see Finn and Rey's relationship as anything but a hot mess in which he treats her as an object to be dragged around and "saved" whether or not she actually needs it and she has to lie to him about her awesomeness. I get why anyone would want to see an interracial couple succeed, but to me that means the writers need to up their game as to how they put that on the screen. In contrast, I love Finn and Rose, because they seem to be pretty able to treat each other pretty well as equals... and, okay, maybe my love for femdom/malesub is showing, because if anyone's doing the "grab and drag and save your partner" thing more, it's definitely Rose. And the two of them and Poe together show the potential for awesome brainstorming dynamics! On which note, I hated Rose's sidelining in TROS with a passion.)
The comm:
Seriously, I'm impressed with what you've made here so far. And, oh, yeah, when fandom goes wrong, it can go very, very wrong.
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Han, Luke, Leia, and parenting:
It's kind of awesome the point you made about people's attachment to characters and how it affects what they want to see them do--- this goes right back to the point you made in your first comment here about the whole "Babies ever after" thing. Because it's... actually kind of wish-fulfillment for me personally to see Luke, Han and Leia, who are characters I grew up loving, be bad at parenting and teaching! I'm positively giddy at a story where those aren't "just basic adulthood"/ entry-level humaning skills, and how people who can do certain things really well can't do other things that are, arguably, very different skillsets well. And it does go back to my frustration with the "Babies ever after"/ "rocks fall, everyone breeds" trope and for that matter the times people try to make Life imitate Art about it.
And on the linked/referenced material: Oh, no, I think I just offered up a real-time example of what I mean about Luke's teaching skills in my own behavior, because that positive-disintegration link is probably not the best introductory piece to the concept in existence! :{ (Comprehensive and arguably authoritative, probably; intro to concept, ah, not so much.) This or this might be better as an introduction.
Ben/Rey:
Thanks for your willingness to hear me out! And, on the flip side, when I saw the direction the fandom was going with it, I probably should have done more to "be the change I wish to see in fandom" and written more femdom/malesub fic and meta for the pairing in places other people could see it, instead of slinking off in resignation as ~traditional gender roles~ reared their ugly head regardless of what I at least was seeing on the screen. And on the flip side, I could totally get behind platonic bromance Ben/Rey stories--- I mean, I generally write him as being bromantic with Phasma and/or Rose, so "Ben has one or more women BFFs" is absolutely a thing I can see. (And on yet another flip side, it took until TROS for me to see Finn and Rey's relationship as anything but a hot mess in which he treats her as an object to be dragged around and "saved" whether or not she actually needs it and she has to lie to him about her awesomeness. I get why anyone would want to see an interracial couple succeed, but to me that means the writers need to up their game as to how they put that on the screen. In contrast, I love Finn and Rose, because they seem to be pretty able to treat each other pretty well as equals... and, okay, maybe my love for femdom/malesub is showing, because if anyone's doing the "grab and drag and save your partner" thing more, it's definitely Rose. And the two of them and Poe together show the potential for awesome brainstorming dynamics! On which note, I hated Rose's sidelining in TROS with a passion.)
The comm:
Seriously, I'm impressed with what you've made here so far. And, oh, yeah, when fandom goes wrong, it can go very, very wrong.